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hello from Sydney Australia Richard

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Saunders here with you once again for

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the skeptics own podcast show number 12

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for the ninth of January 2009 a special

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episode we're going to be looking at

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UFOs will kick off with an interview we

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conducted a few weeks ago with our good

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friend and UFO expert dr. Steve Roberts

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and then we'll find out what some other

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people have to say about their

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is the truth out there probably not

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probably not I don't know but I know the

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truth is in here in my lounge room

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tonight because I've got Steve Roberts

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from the Australian skeptics who is our

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UFO expert hello Steve hello Richard how

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are you go really well thank you for

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dinner by the way that was great Steve

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cooked us a lovely dinner I don't cook

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it you cooked it my balls are you helped

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cook a chicken to the pan you turn the

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gas on under it goodness I supposed to

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really speaking to you cooked it then I

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just prepared it it was chicken not good

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hey des I am Amanda Rose delicious and

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it's not been DeRozan dr. Richard them

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up for joining us here in my land room

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and joining us virtually joining us via

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Skype from Perth is Kylie Sturgis yes

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I'm here in spirit but obviously I

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obviously I missed out on the dinner

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elements but never mind I'm feasting my

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eyes at the moment on the wonderful

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speed Roberts who I can see in my teeny

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tiny skype screen well I'm a couple of

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hours behind so I guess I'll rector had

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some virtual do you know a little bit

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later I guess nevermind now we are very

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interested Steve we are married

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interesting or infested both in tonight

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in the topics of our the top of getting

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UFOs unidentified flying objects but I

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must say more specifically the claims of

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alien ships visiting earth well that's a

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specific subset of the UFO culture hmm

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but the old 1950s belief is that the the

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unknown thing seen or whatever they were

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well actually alien ships visiting but

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that becomes an implausible for various

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reasons so other people make other

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explanations for it like there may be a

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ibiza live on the earth or they're sort

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of psychic emanations or its military

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testing secret stuff which is anybody

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comes to study that's all very well but

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you know when the general population the

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general public hear the term UFO in

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their heads they're thinking alien

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spacecraft from another planet suppose

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people the two things are synonymous

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yeah so you ever think well there's a

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good Gary Larson car to this topic about

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there's an alien called thug or

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something and in front of a committee of

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aliens and they're saying so professor

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thought you're applying for a grant to

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go and fly to this earth planet Landon

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is it will calm down the funnel some

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people then fly back again so if the

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aliens come all the way here it would be

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a very laborious journey in fact from

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anywhere else it is become isn't it

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Steve just to serve maybe make some

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marks in some crops or you'd make a

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bigger bang if you got here I think

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you're doing like that you land on the

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White House lawn I see the film um the

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day the earth stood still with the

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flying saucer that she does land on the

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White House lawn and the alien gets out

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and done I showed that when I was at uni

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ways to hire those films five quitter

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time and child people to go in and throw

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paper darts and then the heavy line

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character in that new zoo 30 alien stops

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a passerby as his son who's the most

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important man in this country and some

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of the others hear that Bob Dylan no

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actually sounds like a really good film

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nice suggestion for a skeptics group

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quite frankly it would be amazing yeah

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leave nineteen fifties Alien films and

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them know that the do belong holders are

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woman who's an earth woman gets stunned

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or knocked out and the robot picks them

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orders just went mildly do that

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imagining what was going to happen mixed

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with seven foot robot jump jump but

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don't go there Dewey's now Kyla I know

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that you've been doing a little bit of

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research for us tonight do you have any

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questions to put the Steve that might

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stop him well one of the questions that

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i have is really how skeptical can one

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get i mean we've had stephen hawking

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we've already had a city for quite some

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time saying absence of evidence isn't

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absurd evidence of absence and yet we

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seem to have two extremes we've got one

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side where people are saying yes there

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are aliens in fact i got impregnated by

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a blonde version of marge simpson and

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beside me can you get a phone numbers

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let's cut funding to any sort of

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investigation of space whatsoever

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because it's pointless nothing's

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happened for decades it's all loonies

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who say these sorts of things so where's

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the middle ground and what point do you

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say okay this is healthy skepticism and

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this is actually benefiting science ok

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we're going to separate city from the

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rest of it we were city it's actually a

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search for things that are out there and

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more should be out there and they going

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to be made out there are you looking for

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radio radio signals or any color signals

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from submissive civilization if we got

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one it we created a boy it's like a

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conversation out of it and it will be

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important to detect that it is

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detectable it's worth with a small

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amount of money to have a try yeah I

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don't know sort of cancel it I want the

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phones will be canceled together I want

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serious funding to go to it in so to

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deplete welfare organizations or

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whatever so it's the question of how

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much money should go into it and the

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answer is not much but something should

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go into it well sadly up the suggestion

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which was put forward by fellow I think

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was back in Maine in Denver the extra

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campaign where a fellow called pigment

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said that he wanted 75 thousand dollars

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annually for the CEO County of Denver in

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order to check whether or not there is

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going to be extraterrestrial landings

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what should they do in preparation well

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unlikely to happen yeah it hasn't

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happened so far I mean if you forget

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about city down and go to the

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traditional meaning of UFOs alien craft

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or there has been no evidence so far now

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will be wonderful but so far everything

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that has apparently been a lady of

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spacecraft turns out to be a hoax or two

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fuzzy or not enough evidence and we've

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got of 60 years this people have pretty

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tired of it so I'm and the actually came

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to hit 50 after 50 years of just 10

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years ago now 11 years ago now with the

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anniversary of the siding it was well

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what was that 1998 Sun 97 98 98 and the

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media were forced for the first time to

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report the sea bean because it was

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actually a newsworthy

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silicon line to it that you know was

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well as having a big party in the town

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of oz well and this can't really be

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serious you know they they can't really

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take the UFO FILES seriously and that

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was a slot the media began to take on

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the after this we made that way ever

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since but up until then UFOs the through

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the 1990s UFOs were taken seriously by

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the media those are sort of hangover

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from the the more credible gullible

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times before that but it's all the

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people who say there's something going

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on to putting some evidence and media a

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film with some fuzzy lights is not good

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enough you need a piece of metal from

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Alpha Centauri I or something of the

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different light of that concentration

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you couldn't make on the earth what

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they just they say they have of that

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they say they're happy but will you ask

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where they say oh I lost it I mean how

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can you lose probably not giving it to

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the test oh oh i see days in the

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believers not pick the government you

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say is not telling you follow justice

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yeah the slate owners gave me an

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artifact who say well can we see so what

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again or we also many dances came and

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took it away don't we have Australia's

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most I don't want to get controversial

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but Australia's foremost ufologist who

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says he has DNA and before machinery so

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on I seem to record doing an interview

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myself on that particular topic and how

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even in an interview which i believe is

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available on youtube thanks to richard

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putting up for me even he was starting

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to hesitate about the legitimacy of the

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DNA that he had i think people are

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probably more interested in the

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beautiful blonde woman who seems i've

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seen the picture is a picture of the

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woman that he has apparently had a

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encounter

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is a DNA with 150 150 genomes usually

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smelly if listeners a would like a

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little bit of research on their own they

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can google the name bill chalker bill

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chakra is a very nice man in one of

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Australia's stalwarts of the UFO

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industry at the up and he has written a

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book called I think for memory alien DNA

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or something like that well could be

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yeah yeah any worth googling build chalk

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and very very nice man I don't think we

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see eye to eye on everything I'm not

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aware of your choker I take it he's a

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believer he's the one day this guy well

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one that publishes books oh yeah when he

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is but then again he takes a believe in

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our he takes a lot more skeptical view

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than most UFO are some researchers

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nonetheless she says he has the island

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dinner well there you go or strange the

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a or strange DNA is 820 genomes in its

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first piece so the obvious this blonde

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very stupid if that's her thing a nice

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Tony gallant era so did ya do a search

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bit about the blonde hair and wear it

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buses flicking through a couple of

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accounts of it then and it seems rather

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saucy which I guess is probably wise

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away from in our minds so much yeah so

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it would know the DAR some researchers

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his work is respected and Bill Chavez

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man Keith pastor field of essays another

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Victoria these are serious researchers

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that believe in UFOs but I'm looking for

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side of the evidence and they're looking

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in a stove in a scientific fashion and

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highly credible and what do they look

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for Steve had of it well the

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investigator citing their work is

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reasonably good and unfortunate usually

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comes to nothing but yeah well I'm

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worrying usually yeah that they've

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written books odd you know nice to what

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evidence there is and there's nothing

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stopping for better get it depends what

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you mean

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course every time it's drawing a blank

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well I mean maybe if he starting if we

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pull aside he actually things creak

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there's a lot of scope creep of this

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there's a book by i think it was by

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Keith Buster field or maybe Robbie

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published a good book of Australian UFO

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sightings and there was one in bankstown

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and inside the book it said there was a

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sighting at Bankstown in two o'clock in

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the morning oh my god yes I and

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something suddenly saw a light and the

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streetlight swept through the street

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lights went dim okay in though in the

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jacket of the book all these I flapper

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the Jacka book coverage so there was a

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sighting in bankstown and the street

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lights went out and all the blurb on the

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back of the book it says there was a

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sighting in bankstown and the whole area

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we did for two hours ok now I try to

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focus either to try to teach us up I try

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to bring bankstown council as we just

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disappeared as such it's a new aerial a

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different name and there's no vehicles

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kick if it'll an area disappears

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completely politically behind be going

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on Venus pollution is over we're not

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very far from base elemental area yeah

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we better watch out they Lincoln nervous

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and services or those who may not know

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banks down as a suburb of Sydney not too

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far from here and it has its own little

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Airport obviously strange lights around

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an airport well you know how it is yeah

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if all the streetlights go dead for two

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hours you the council have a record of

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it like you know engineer was called out

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and was very grumpy you can use google

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earth to look at it on you tonight so

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long anyway um yeah the bit of scope

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creep even within the book you know

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that's I'll discuss these sightings get

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made bigger and bigger you even believe

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the book you're reading and this a known

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phenomenon of UFO sightings or story

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gets better and better not your stories

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of anything you're still using benish

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but I called the fish my fish is that on

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the 50 sniper where things grow over

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time you know I caught official as this

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big and note then it was this big and

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your Raquel and this huge you know let's

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I call that the fish cycle the Fisher

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cycle yeah okay yes can I ask you a

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question sir yes you can you've seen the

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most recent footage that we looked at

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the other night from Turkey the UFOs

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apparently over Turkey one of them looks

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suspiciously like the Romulan

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out of praise much like yeah but they

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were stars that knows he was his

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enterprise 370 wrong there fly of a

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turkey now though they were plastic

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models one of the things that was a

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detail at the time was that this footage

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it and if you google UFOs over turkey on

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youtube you'll find it will search for

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on youtube the footage is date stamped

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and so over a period of months this

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footage was taken but what I thought was

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interesting about it was despite the

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fact that they took it over several

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months at no point across the sort of

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six months standard I think to get a

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tripod or perhaps a better video all

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shaky candles oh yes handheld camera is

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very out of focus its but yeah very very

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safety it's really annoying that when

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you get a good sighting the young got a

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good camera with you it's always casting

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it's actually one of the big arguments

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against UFOs being anything significant

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that the back in nineteen fifty in the

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1950s it was some unusual to own a

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camera some people do things that you've

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been loading your own airplane or ugly

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speedboat now and some people did most

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people didn't so photography was not

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understood and fairly rare my dad bought

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a camera the late fifties and we were

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play with it is all very exciting unit

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but now anyone got a camera it was got a

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mobile phone all the kids have cameras

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on this more mr. Coderre must be very

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happy more pictures or more photography

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than ever before but it's still people

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feeling so pictures yeah I mean I talked

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about this a few weeks ago because we

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were talking about the crypto zoology

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and I read a report from someone saying

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that he saw this species and the last

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thing he thought of was to grab his

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camera now surely must be posted a first

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thing you think you've had but you

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generally would have a camera in your

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hand well in fact will the early adverts

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for mobile phones about ten years ago it

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was from Telstra and sorry for the

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sudden mobile phone company and we

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showed up a band watching a UFO the kind

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of seed quick tell somebody and the

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point is if you had a mobile phone

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review that have being people up say

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Here I am watching a UFO that's right

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you could phone up for the middle of

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nowhere they have an answer to that

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isn't that the UFO is sending off see

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electus radiations

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and we have actually have seen at a

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legitimate UFO research talk talk with a

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we have exams okay they said so you host

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chunky all their electronic equipment so

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that failed so they couldn't take

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serious exposure to the why they only

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have three places they bought a

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skeptical I'll that wouldn't happen

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within a week do we ruin everything do

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we querido exactly i'm prepared to

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attend events for a small fee and to be

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visible skeptic so thats earthing things

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don't go all I'm prepared to attend

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events for a large theme I'm prepared to

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do you do anything anyway they keep me

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I've come for a couple of the attacks

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Amanda I remember you telling me at that

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same talk that they said that they'd

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climbed on some large hill to wait for

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these UFOs to appear and as midnight

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strike they suddenly felt oddly come

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with time yeah it was the blue mountain

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so we're walking up they were hacking

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all day west of Sydney and at midnight

422
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they were like get setting up the camp

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and suddenly they felt tired they took

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to be evidence that the UFOs were near

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sending off you know the signals that

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were making the human muscle and

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whatever you've hiked through the

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mountains all day and it's midnight

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seems of disappointment of course you

430
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are you're tired your husband come down

431
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when they're all asleep you saying and

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it stops there electronic equipment wait

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a little bit i always mention that

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because it's just like the absolute

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epoch of you know what spars look I am

436
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tired midnight there for us on hahaha

437
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well it's the segments your haunted

438
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stairs yes you wanted the top of the

439
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this excuse many years ago when I was

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forced to do physical education I could

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have said I'm sorry I just can't take my

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office and what's kind of all your

443
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phones are stopping you stopping a

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satirical Aeneid I wonder if you could

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tell our listeners about the incident

446
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not too many years ago that was reported

447
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in the skeptic magazine of the the

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actual photograph of the UFO and

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Victoria near the train crossing Oh

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heaven help us yeah it was I'm january

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2003 and I I actually have the original

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photograph because it's a wonderful

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thing this modern age the photograph is

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a JPEG in a camera and I have the

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original jpg file or a copy of the copy

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of it yeah but it is a good as the

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original digital copies thankfully the

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same as the original so I have the

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seminal photograph and it was an

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engineer a bow engineer who said to

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photograph well we're crossing lights to

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show they were working so he went there

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and waiting for a train and train

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approaches and the mid lights flash and

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the bell goes Dean Dean Dean the barrier

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comes down it all works papi he took a

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movie of the watch you various still

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photograph this yes and the Feynman past

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you took pictures of that and then the

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bear is coming he took pictures of that

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and then they've canceled records all

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that so they can say you know on

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generator 16 2004 if it was all this was

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working anyone beat up three pictures in

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quick succession just before the train

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came in the middle picture is a UFO got

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a knot in the other two in the middle

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picture there's a little black and white

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object with a very odd looks like it has

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a done on the top its various it was the

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top of black on the bottom there it is

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there's a UFO but it across whenever

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we're ways as well do you remember that

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yes bit of each Victoria beverage s

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belts as a VE ve roi dges got historical

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connotations with Nick Kenny if you tell

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you if listeners would type that and

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into Google and UFO you'll find every

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issue for you please see if you probably

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get you journal file as well or email

491
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email the show will send it to you I did

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you ever look yourself and we actually

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had real actually i'm holly with the

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angled interviewed sorry was the on

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television being interviewed a day later

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and there he was near the interviewer

497
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was and they spent all their time making

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the australian saluting flies out of the

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way

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ha die and good i am pleased to make you

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bet that dealer there it is and lo and

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behold this thing is a fly yeah just

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place why you can't see you take the

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pictures you take the picture it's a fly

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is sa like come six inches from the

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camera lenses yeah find one across your

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face so you want to see it yeah face to

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be behind the camera but I learned then

509
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it be gone well you wouldn't if you did

510
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see it when think it was remarkable but

511
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some there's similar pictures of birds

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and so on which are actually quite close

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to the camera which also explains why

514
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they're fuzzy and out of focus is it

515
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this is another thing that everything of

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the pictures even focus to train the

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railway track when they were crossing

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signs the scenery the background the

519
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road in front on the background behind

520
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all in focus the UFOs not I guess the

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UFOs not in focus because it's living

522
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moving so fast any special special you

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follow along focusing being said this

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one focusing one what well you thought

525
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of saves a special I'm focusing busy

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like a tractor beam in this well you're

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that maybe failure that one the same as

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the legs getting tired be my surprise

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yes finally got the effect you can have

530
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with that you could done you can hang

531
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Saddam Hussein with it or something you

532
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can do please would you finally say it

533
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constitutes actual proof what would

534
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really make it something physical that

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you could hold in your hand I mean we're

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physical things you know and a

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photograph could be especially digital

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photograph could be cooked up and many

539
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have an the other film myself with the

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film follows gun for example a

541
00:21:30,730 --> 00:21:29,149
schoolhouse flinging it up in the air

542
00:21:33,129 --> 00:21:30,740
and taking photos that we manage to

543
00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:33,139
mimic quite a good example of a UFO on

544
00:21:37,450 --> 00:21:35,360
the school playground by just simply

545
00:21:39,730 --> 00:21:37,460
using a score pad so it has to be

546
00:21:41,859 --> 00:21:39,740
physical evidence something yeah photo

547
00:21:43,810 --> 00:21:41,869
won't do is good a bit i'll what we'll

548
00:21:45,730 --> 00:21:43,820
do is several photos by different people

549
00:21:47,799 --> 00:21:45,740
from different angles so you can

550
00:21:49,749 --> 00:21:47,809
triangulate where it was another and

551
00:21:51,759 --> 00:21:49,759
that has never happened so when a

552
00:21:54,430 --> 00:21:51,769
football UFO flies over Perth which is

553
00:21:55,749 --> 00:21:54,440
two million people if as if there's one

554
00:21:56,649 --> 00:21:55,759
picture that's very nice but if there

555
00:21:58,659 --> 00:21:56,659
was something there they really should

556
00:21:59,980 --> 00:21:58,669
be more than one picture if you took a

557
00:22:01,600 --> 00:21:59,990
long time to fly over there should be

558
00:22:03,759 --> 00:22:01,610
several shots at it and you can see with

559
00:22:06,780 --> 00:22:03,769
a height and the distance and so on this

560
00:22:09,050 --> 00:22:06,790
is live in it satellite evidence or make

561
00:22:12,030 --> 00:22:09,060
even something showing up on Air Force

562
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:12,040
radar even yeah it's easy to ask

563
00:22:14,850 --> 00:22:13,360
questions about the Air Force's a year

564
00:22:16,830 --> 00:22:14,860
it's all classified and then you say

565
00:22:18,330 --> 00:22:16,840
hours it keep it secret you know

566
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:18,340
actually there's good military reasons

567
00:22:23,820 --> 00:22:20,970
for keeping some stuff secret and

568
00:22:25,890 --> 00:22:23,830
actually maybe things don't they say in

569
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:25,900
special anti radar beams as well so they

570
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:29,170
oh I've had it seriously the OSD no

571
00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:31,120
seriously proposed that UFOs can flash

572
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:33,130
on and off in the visual spectrum and

573
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:36,010
all off in the radar spectrum at the

574
00:22:39,810 --> 00:22:37,840
same time or different times just to say

575
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:39,820
hey here we hear no it no we're not in

576
00:22:48,180 --> 00:22:44,320
here we're going to confuse you mans / I

577
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:48,190
have a perfect report of a UFO which was

578
00:22:51,030 --> 00:22:49,450
clearly Venus you know it's in the

579
00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:51,040
position but he looked like video

580
00:22:56,910 --> 00:22:54,310
submission by Venus walls and this guy

581
00:22:59,760 --> 00:22:56,920
was short as a UFO is a UFO fan to put

582
00:23:02,550 --> 00:22:59,770
it mildly and I said hey it's Venus he

583
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:02,560
said oh well okay okay hard one you know

584
00:23:11,490 --> 00:23:04,810
supposing the UFO was right in front of

585
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:11,500
Venus oh you got me so that's fine if

586
00:23:15,570 --> 00:23:13,330
observed from bankstown when you go

587
00:23:16,860 --> 00:23:15,580
across the city to Bondi Beach then you

588
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:16,870
can't have it in front of beers in both

589
00:23:21,540 --> 00:23:19,570
places in fact if it's in the Earth's

590
00:23:23,310 --> 00:23:21,550
atmosphere you tell you about five miles

591
00:23:25,140 --> 00:23:23,320
up so if you move five miles sideways

592
00:23:27,150 --> 00:23:25,150
Italy completely out of completely out

593
00:23:28,170 --> 00:23:27,160
of range so it means every time

594
00:23:29,730 --> 00:23:28,180
something looked up they have to move

595
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:29,740
the you folks factory to get in front of

596
00:23:33,330 --> 00:23:31,360
Venus well you would have heard the

597
00:23:34,650 --> 00:23:33,340
story Steve recently in the last few

598
00:23:37,260 --> 00:23:34,660
months where are there were a lot of

599
00:23:38,820 --> 00:23:37,270
reports to the local police in the UK I

600
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:38,830
can't remember exactly where it was

601
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:41,530
wheels was it in well it's Wales yeah

602
00:23:46,980 --> 00:23:44,320
they reported allo allo hanging a bright

603
00:23:48,420 --> 00:23:46,990
object in the sky to rob all this story

604
00:23:50,190 --> 00:23:48,430
I've seen that somewhere that's a Welsh

605
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:50,200
you phone the relatively far they've got

606
00:23:54,150 --> 00:23:51,730
their own you fell at last because then

607
00:23:57,360 --> 00:23:54,160
12 you on the map until you've got to

608
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:57,370
you fo it's a welsh oof oh well this is

609
00:24:00,420 --> 00:23:58,720
the welsh UFO i think you're referring

610
00:24:03,540 --> 00:24:00,430
to it turned out the police went to

611
00:24:06,690 --> 00:24:03,550
investigate and it was the moon officer

612
00:24:10,370 --> 00:24:06,700
oh but it's a welsh moon look you I

613
00:24:13,470 --> 00:24:10,380
recall reading this to you if y el no

614
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:13,480
fit oh yeah I recall reading the story

615
00:24:17,139 --> 00:24:15,970
in the paper and it was transcribed by

616
00:24:18,940 --> 00:24:17,149
the report as

617
00:24:20,649 --> 00:24:18,950
the officer who was sent out to

618
00:24:22,570 --> 00:24:20,659
investigate calling back to base and

619
00:24:25,539 --> 00:24:22,580
saying it's the moon over I have a

620
00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:25,549
question ever oh go let's go go go this

621
00:24:28,450 --> 00:24:27,049
will probably get edited out that's a

622
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:28,460
bit of a question with that know if I

623
00:24:34,959 --> 00:24:32,690
say to go but um when i trace my

624
00:24:38,049 --> 00:24:34,969
skeptical sort of journey back to when I

625
00:24:40,989 --> 00:24:38,059
was a child and lapping up stories about

626
00:24:44,049 --> 00:24:40,999
UFOs and the block best monster me to

627
00:24:45,999 --> 00:24:44,059
crystal skulls and exactly and um and I

628
00:24:48,159 --> 00:24:46,009
wasn't skeptical at all then but

629
00:24:51,129 --> 00:24:48,169
nonetheless it's the beginning of my

630
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:51,139
interest in it anybody and I just

631
00:24:55,060 --> 00:24:53,210
remember reading all getting every

632
00:24:57,579 --> 00:24:55,070
single book out of a local library on

633
00:25:00,489 --> 00:24:57,589
UFOs and the thing that creeped me out

634
00:25:02,969 --> 00:25:00,499
the most was the stories of the men in

635
00:25:05,979 --> 00:25:02,979
black and I now that the ideas been

636
00:25:08,979 --> 00:25:05,989
taken over by the the series of movies

637
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:08,989
and so on you read a book by albert k

638
00:25:15,369 --> 00:25:12,320
bender I don't cry read these women

639
00:25:19,479 --> 00:25:15,379
mysteries that's the book that I was

640
00:25:21,639 --> 00:25:19,489
ready but the men in black so talking

641
00:25:25,719 --> 00:25:21,649
you know 25 years ago or whatever when I

642
00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:25,729
was a child reading it who would go

643
00:25:32,289 --> 00:25:29,929
visit people who had seen UFOs to tell

644
00:25:35,499 --> 00:25:32,299
them not to tell anybody and they would

645
00:25:38,139 --> 00:25:35,509
go to the house dressed in black with a

646
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:38,149
black tie and now at the time I didn't

647
00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:39,679
know but now I can realize that's a

648
00:25:45,399 --> 00:25:42,529
meeting like a federal agent or a

649
00:25:49,149 --> 00:25:45,409
federal government stereotypical sort of

650
00:25:51,009 --> 00:25:49,159
suit that's right and then afterwards

651
00:25:52,779 --> 00:25:51,019
the people who they had visited would

652
00:25:56,049 --> 00:25:52,789
realize that they they didn't have

653
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:56,059
eyebrows amending her fingernails yes

654
00:25:59,709 --> 00:25:57,919
and they didn't have hair because i had

655
00:26:02,440 --> 00:25:59,719
the hat Thunder that's why they were a

656
00:26:05,379 --> 00:26:02,450
team an accent but they didn't have here

657
00:26:07,749 --> 00:26:05,389
and they were sort of slightly unworldly

658
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:07,759
and they would realize later that they

659
00:26:13,329 --> 00:26:09,440
were you know England although they

660
00:26:16,060 --> 00:26:13,339
they'd appear human beginning so many in

661
00:26:17,829 --> 00:26:16,070
black worthy aliens is that with the

662
00:26:19,060 --> 00:26:17,839
idea because afterwards I'd realized

663
00:26:21,339 --> 00:26:19,070
they didn't have fingernails and they

664
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:21,349
didn't have eyebrows and hair and a

665
00:26:24,580 --> 00:26:23,090
little light appeared

666
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:24,590
collect all the evidence and destroyers

667
00:26:29,050 --> 00:26:26,690
of aliens being present I don't rise and

668
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:29,060
creepy the thing that creeped me out

669
00:26:33,370 --> 00:26:31,010
about UFOs with the men in black black

670
00:26:36,010 --> 00:26:33,380
the UFOs heinously UFO but then the the

671
00:26:38,860 --> 00:26:36,020
men in black was the scariest thing

672
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:38,870
about you enjoy logical question it's

673
00:26:43,450 --> 00:26:40,850
probably associated with the you know

674
00:26:45,220 --> 00:26:43,460
the Cold War and that the federal agents

675
00:26:47,770 --> 00:26:45,230
and the CIA and all of that kind of

676
00:26:51,910 --> 00:26:47,780
business entering the public

677
00:26:54,250 --> 00:26:51,920
consciousness but I wonder if that's a

678
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:54,260
tradition in the UFO movement that's

679
00:27:00,460 --> 00:26:56,570
come out that's all it is lasted beyond

680
00:27:03,340 --> 00:27:00,470
the 50s Linda's car with because the the

681
00:27:06,610 --> 00:27:03,350
original sighting one of the original

682
00:27:09,790 --> 00:27:06,620
starting in 1948 the Roswell that was a

683
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:09,800
crash one the one before that long that

684
00:27:13,870 --> 00:27:11,810
there was a message recovered some bits

685
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:13,880
of a balloon movie cupboards to eat a

686
00:27:19,810 --> 00:27:17,330
even when it was no it's just a very

687
00:27:22,330 --> 00:27:19,820
secret high-altitude balloon for spying

688
00:27:24,430 --> 00:27:22,340
on the Russian now because he was really

689
00:27:26,980 --> 00:27:24,440
good at the time as real that is a very

690
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:26,990
delicate espionage programs in the

691
00:27:31,570 --> 00:27:29,210
American didn't want publicized and rum

692
00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:31,580
hey now they'll shoot us all then this

693
00:27:35,410 --> 00:27:33,110
damn thing crashed and their word that

694
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:35,420
she was wreckage and some people did

695
00:27:40,180 --> 00:27:37,970
come and take it away their army people

696
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:40,190
did come and take it away and they told

697
00:27:43,810 --> 00:27:41,600
the farmer you know don't talk about

698
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:43,820
this to anybody and the speak 1948

699
00:27:48,730 --> 00:27:46,610
atmosphere mean the farmer fell for this

700
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:48,740
you know and respect to this and said

701
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:50,480
yeah that's good enough made told me not

702
00:27:53,650 --> 00:27:51,890
to talk about it and I'm not going to

703
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:53,660
that's similar to what happened at

704
00:27:56,620 --> 00:27:55,370
Roswell state but their work because

705
00:27:59,200 --> 00:27:56,630
because that turned out to be or whether

706
00:28:01,570 --> 00:27:59,210
I'm sorry as an espionage balloon but

707
00:28:02,980 --> 00:28:01,580
it's extended to other standings now is

708
00:28:05,230 --> 00:28:02,990
get D D Phi with these people saying

709
00:28:08,050 --> 00:28:05,240
don't talk about it the things even told

710
00:28:08,860 --> 00:28:08,060
now enough in 2008 if somebody says the

711
00:28:10,450 --> 00:28:08,870
government doesn't want you to talk

712
00:28:12,670 --> 00:28:10,460
about this it will be all over the web

713
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:12,680
within minutes yeah but now even back in

714
00:28:15,250 --> 00:28:14,210
those days you wouldn't talk about it

715
00:28:17,620 --> 00:28:15,260
you know you'd respect this

716
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:17,630
authoritarian figure and there might

717
00:28:21,070 --> 00:28:19,850
have been some civilian agents going

718
00:28:22,510 --> 00:28:21,080
around doing this but there are

719
00:28:24,430 --> 00:28:22,520
certainly Barbie people going around

720
00:28:26,590 --> 00:28:24,440
saying we want to believe and gather and

721
00:28:27,850 --> 00:28:26,600
and taken back and we don't want people

722
00:28:30,430 --> 00:28:27,860
to talk about this because it is in fact

723
00:28:31,900 --> 00:28:30,440
a secret program I've real military

724
00:28:32,659 --> 00:28:31,910
significance in the middle of the Cold

725
00:28:35,149 --> 00:28:32,669
War and

726
00:28:36,919 --> 00:28:35,159
x a bit dodgy but what do you make of

727
00:28:39,049 --> 00:28:36,929
the sort of hijacking at the Roswell

728
00:28:41,419 --> 00:28:39,059
incident I suppose which made it sort of

729
00:28:43,789 --> 00:28:41,429
point sweetie that there was talk of the

730
00:28:48,099 --> 00:28:43,799
UFO community urban active 2067 that you

731
00:28:50,299 --> 00:28:48,109
forgive ities inside the kick and and

732
00:28:52,340 --> 00:28:50,309
this wasn't mentioned it was it was

733
00:28:53,989 --> 00:28:52,350
known to be there but just one of many

734
00:28:56,119 --> 00:28:53,999
obscure sightings that nobody cared

735
00:28:58,159 --> 00:28:56,129
about there were warm or what about

736
00:28:59,840 --> 00:28:58,169
Colin sightings and recent sightings and

737
00:29:02,180 --> 00:28:59,850
it was until nineteen eighty that yeah

738
00:29:04,430 --> 00:29:02,190
attention was drawn to it by Stanton

739
00:29:06,409 --> 00:29:04,440
Friedman nuclear physicist who by the

740
00:29:10,519 --> 00:29:06,419
way as this would you care physicist

741
00:29:13,340 --> 00:29:10,529
than I am and you for that matter so we

742
00:29:16,430 --> 00:29:13,350
are killer dr. rachel nuclear physicist

743
00:29:18,889 --> 00:29:16,440
and he the attention to it and it began

744
00:29:21,139 --> 00:29:18,899
to began to gain fallen sin the UFO

745
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:21,149
culture until it got bigger and bigger

746
00:29:25,399 --> 00:29:23,039
and it was of interest because it's the

747
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:25,409
only claim that there's a of your

748
00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:27,330
manifestations were crash you for the

749
00:29:31,129 --> 00:29:29,369
clay needs of this thing some large

750
00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:31,139
craft has crashed as being kept in a

751
00:29:35,930 --> 00:29:34,200
hangar at area 51 you know a large piece

752
00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:35,940
of evidence and also alien bodies or a

753
00:29:40,129 --> 00:29:38,369
lot of physical stuff who's being kept

754
00:29:42,409 --> 00:29:40,139
on and kept secret but it's true isn't

755
00:29:45,139 --> 00:29:42,419
it that it was twenty years after the

756
00:29:46,489 --> 00:29:45,149
the crash occurred that started that it

757
00:29:48,590 --> 00:29:46,499
took off in the media including two

758
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:48,600
years yeah please to use it one man who

759
00:29:52,369 --> 00:29:50,330
attention to it some of these

760
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:52,379
unfortunate highly prominent and gets

761
00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:53,970
all over the place so that is he

762
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:56,129
mellowed put me in fact Brian Dunning

763
00:30:00,409 --> 00:29:57,840
does a very good step Toit on the

764
00:30:02,029 --> 00:30:00,419
roswell incident but it's funny when you

765
00:30:04,639 --> 00:30:02,039
listen to what he talks about and read

766
00:30:06,259 --> 00:30:04,649
about it that in fact yes it took very

767
00:30:08,180 --> 00:30:06,269
use for it just sort of get publicized

768
00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:08,190
and to the level that it has now and

769
00:30:14,180 --> 00:30:11,609
it's entered you know the public sphere

770
00:30:16,759 --> 00:30:14,190
is is amazing incident which in fact it

771
00:30:18,349 --> 00:30:16,769
wasn't at all it's at the time there's

772
00:30:21,289 --> 00:30:18,359
only one filings and weather balloon

773
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:21,299
pieces yeah that's no as part of

774
00:30:25,879 --> 00:30:23,850
folklore and legend and in fact it's all

775
00:30:27,529 --> 00:30:25,889
been pretty much fabricated I give a

776
00:30:29,389 --> 00:30:27,539
lecture I show a terrific picture this

777
00:30:31,159 --> 00:30:29,399
large crashed flying saucer about a

778
00:30:32,810 --> 00:30:31,169
hundred feet across three bidded in the

779
00:30:34,999 --> 00:30:32,820
mountainside you know sticking out at an

780
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:35,009
angle and pursue the captain saying I do

781
00:30:40,060 --> 00:30:37,010
as you drive more carefully

782
00:30:41,950 --> 00:30:40,070
oh dear oh dear of course we drag bodies

783
00:30:44,860 --> 00:30:41,960
as well with it yeah they live alien

784
00:30:46,270 --> 00:30:44,870
autopsy of 1995 reserving a famous that

785
00:30:47,980 --> 00:30:46,280
you should of this and people fell for

786
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:47,990
that I'm not the video upstairs though

787
00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:50,330
it's wonderful area you see to wall to

788
00:30:53,530 --> 00:30:52,310
the room when it's quite fun and for a

789
00:30:54,970 --> 00:30:53,540
long time people thought some people

790
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:54,980
thought it was Jenny with you folks all

791
00:30:59,710 --> 00:30:57,440
polarizing some believers the skeptics

792
00:31:01,390 --> 00:30:59,720
of that movie in you make sure they will

793
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:01,400
move The Skeptical side and something

794
00:31:05,140 --> 00:31:03,650
fists up to it but under the daily

795
00:31:09,690 --> 00:31:05,150
course you'd say well waivers of Elah

796
00:31:12,910 --> 00:31:09,700
must be the real movie somewhere yeah

797
00:31:14,380 --> 00:31:12,920
sorry Carly you have a question yes sir

798
00:31:16,150 --> 00:31:14,390
what point did you move to The Skeptical

799
00:31:17,890 --> 00:31:16,160
side you said you've been leading in

800
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:17,900
this since you're a child not that

801
00:31:22,270 --> 00:31:20,000
dissimilar to amanda's accounted yeah

802
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:22,280
look I'll fess up I that I ran a UFO

803
00:31:30,190 --> 00:31:24,320
group I was chairman of the Imperial

804
00:31:32,410 --> 00:31:30,200
College UFO research site yeah I was

805
00:31:33,820 --> 00:31:32,420
yeah and there are lots of us and we

806
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:33,830
thought there was something in it you

807
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:36,530
know we were kids and Archie were

808
00:31:41,710 --> 00:31:39,110
University students and we thought of B

809
00:31:43,300 --> 00:31:41,720
is looking at and unfortunate exactly

810
00:31:45,130 --> 00:31:43,310
what we did we gather the evidence and

811
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:45,140
we shouldn't have done that cheffing you

812
00:31:48,610 --> 00:31:46,730
should have got the evidence we got a

813
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:48,620
hold of all all the British sightings

814
00:31:53,620 --> 00:31:51,200
for six years or every one of them and

815
00:31:57,730 --> 00:31:53,630
what four stars only about 100 of them

816
00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:57,740
and then 90 of those are crap well okay

817
00:32:01,630 --> 00:31:59,840
where's where's the rest of it well

818
00:32:03,580 --> 00:32:01,640
there is no best of it you know this'll

819
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:03,590
make this is all the evidence all

820
00:32:08,140 --> 00:32:06,320
solidly closed they release more since

821
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:08,150
then haven't they and even then there's

822
00:32:12,370 --> 00:32:09,890
been questions about the legitimacy of

823
00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:12,380
it I'm Rachel was explaining about how

824
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:14,510
they were mentally I don't know about

825
00:32:18,490 --> 00:32:16,880
five times the speed of sound or

826
00:32:20,650 --> 00:32:18,500
something like that hand time contagious

827
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:20,660
2010 here there'll be a sonic two

828
00:32:24,790 --> 00:32:23,120
Grizzlies it can there be a mighty bang

829
00:32:26,410 --> 00:32:24,800
one under the plan everywhere they went

830
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:26,420
and if people hear that and so what's

831
00:32:30,010 --> 00:32:28,010
that mighty a banger just to it that's a

832
00:32:33,730 --> 00:32:30,020
very good point I'd make this point to

833
00:32:35,470 --> 00:32:33,740
people um there are various physical

834
00:32:37,270 --> 00:32:35,480
things we must look out for if they're

835
00:32:39,100 --> 00:32:37,280
traveling that that that speeding is

836
00:32:41,260 --> 00:32:39,110
slowing down starting up you would hear

837
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:41,270
the bloody sonic maybe they part the air

838
00:32:45,340 --> 00:32:42,770
and just pass through it but in that

839
00:32:46,450 --> 00:32:45,350
case you want to see them either they're

840
00:32:47,650 --> 00:32:46,460
going to be visible they're going to be

841
00:32:49,150 --> 00:32:47,660
physical what am I

842
00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:49,160
about the aliens obviously have the

843
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:51,980
technology they have technology way yeah

844
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:53,570
they feel sort of the cloaking shield

845
00:32:58,750 --> 00:32:55,930
what was I it reminds me of where

846
00:33:00,670 --> 00:32:58,760
cryptozoology is some wind up to your

847
00:33:04,930 --> 00:33:00,680
end of cryptozoology which is there

848
00:33:06,220 --> 00:33:04,940
moved on to not just big footage some

849
00:33:07,780 --> 00:33:06,230
kind of thing that lives in the

850
00:33:10,270 --> 00:33:07,790
mountains that nobody knows about but

851
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:10,280
that Bigfoot phases in and out of

852
00:33:15,790 --> 00:33:13,970
quantum time yeah and that's why you

853
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:15,800
want to fight what if you noted the

854
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:18,650
really hardcore that cryptozoology

855
00:33:24,220 --> 00:33:21,440
that's what they say in order to get

856
00:33:25,690 --> 00:33:24,230
around the fact that this no evidence if

857
00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:25,700
I feels related to that and we actually

858
00:33:30,100 --> 00:33:27,710
had Tim dinsdale and fill the Loch Ness

859
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:30,110
monster give us a talk at the UFO group

860
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:31,730
and he showed his cameras showed the

861
00:33:35,620 --> 00:33:33,200
film we made which was the windup

862
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:35,630
cameras on a tripod wind up camp and

863
00:33:39,340 --> 00:33:36,770
there is something in the water's

864
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:39,350
probably a law sir that it could be a

865
00:33:44,020 --> 00:33:42,050
monster in a beer wine don't know if

866
00:33:45,490 --> 00:33:44,030
it's a mostly Loch Ness they can't just

867
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:45,500
be one is going to be a whole family of

868
00:33:48,910 --> 00:33:46,880
yeah yeah it's the same they could have

869
00:33:50,770 --> 00:33:48,920
been the Panther soon as happens

870
00:33:53,650 --> 00:33:50,780
couldn't hear you can't have one thanks

871
00:33:56,020 --> 00:33:53,660
something interesting my mum's in a loss

872
00:33:57,970 --> 00:33:56,030
and or America at the moment she was in

873
00:34:01,360 --> 00:33:57,980
California and went to Monterey Bay and

874
00:34:03,730 --> 00:34:01,370
Mauro covel Everett scored where there

875
00:34:06,610 --> 00:34:03,740
are lots of wild otters and she took

876
00:34:08,770 --> 00:34:06,620
photos with a pretty quite an ordinary

877
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:08,780
digital camera that doesn't have much of

878
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:12,290
a zoom and she took photos of all these

879
00:34:16,450 --> 00:34:14,330
authors and their up on flickr and i was

880
00:34:18,940 --> 00:34:16,460
looking at them and thinking well that

881
00:34:20,890 --> 00:34:18,950
looks like an SE really you know these

882
00:34:22,780 --> 00:34:20,900
pictures of Anna know there are authors

883
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:22,790
I can make up ways and get a little

884
00:34:25,659 --> 00:34:24,169
humps behind as you pick up out of the

885
00:34:27,460 --> 00:34:25,669
water lie on their backs that's right

886
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:27,470
that's right there they lie on their

887
00:34:32,050 --> 00:34:30,290
backs on their side not moving like it's

888
00:34:33,370 --> 00:34:32,060
a whole we should do a programmer and I

889
00:34:35,290 --> 00:34:33,380
can do all about the Loch Ness monster a

890
00:34:36,850 --> 00:34:35,300
little duck course about that hey if

891
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:36,860
anybody out there wants to fly the

892
00:34:41,169 --> 00:34:39,169
entire cast and the skeptic gentle not

893
00:34:43,419 --> 00:34:41,179
miss we will do a pass from the shores

894
00:34:45,310 --> 00:34:43,429
of lough that promise you we will and we

895
00:34:48,250 --> 00:34:45,320
will mention you by name and we will

896
00:34:50,500 --> 00:34:48,260
take a tripod this trap my family plan

897
00:34:54,340 --> 00:34:50,510
is the oldest plan that still inhabits

898
00:34:56,409 --> 00:34:54,350
its family castle what so if that

899
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:56,419
doesn't buy me a little bit of fun it's

900
00:34:59,450 --> 00:34:58,130
probably scottish largesse i don't know

901
00:35:01,490 --> 00:34:59,460
what does rose

902
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:01,500
well I'll hang all off some into the

903
00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:02,880
name and if you go if you look on a clan

904
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:05,310
map where in between the Macbeth's and

905
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:12,800
the Macduff's only other person in

906
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:15,450
between the Macbeth and the McDaniel it

907
00:35:19,220 --> 00:35:17,250
means you're next I don't believe in any

908
00:35:21,170 --> 00:35:19,230
conspiracy theories except the one that

909
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:21,180
says that Shakespeare owed us out of his

910
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:25,440
nah we're not in that stupid play at all

911
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:28,609
Hussein just down the road from mcdonald

912
00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:32,400
that's all what I'm saying is take me

913
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:39,510
home Scottish roads your ID on a US

914
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:44,130
phone getting back to you yeah you know

915
00:35:46,940 --> 00:35:45,330
I'll tell you what happened we got all

916
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:46,950
the flaming evidence and it wasn't much

917
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,089
and we thought well what's all the fuss

918
00:35:52,220 --> 00:35:50,400
about and we were going to be attended

919
00:35:53,839 --> 00:35:52,230
other beings other UFO groups and we

920
00:35:58,700 --> 00:35:53,849
well that's pretty soon they're all

921
00:36:00,500 --> 00:35:58,710
totally the same Bobby people it is and

922
00:36:01,730 --> 00:36:00,510
we all became very skeptical that this

923
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:01,740
is actually where I became skeptical

924
00:36:07,609 --> 00:36:04,290
yeah every time somebody said I've got a

925
00:36:10,070 --> 00:36:07,619
flying saucer in my garden and how often

926
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:10,080
did that occur quite a lot my god who

927
00:36:17,150 --> 00:36:13,170
said what can be seen it is uh maybe you

928
00:36:20,180 --> 00:36:17,160
know and yeah that became face getting

929
00:36:23,420 --> 00:36:20,190
all people and the BND view reports of

930
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:23,430
UFOs as something to be analyzed you

931
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:26,730
know in a with a bigger I would say with

932
00:36:30,260 --> 00:36:28,650
a city called like that some you know

933
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:30,270
it's unlikely this is the real thing

934
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:31,920
every time and they were there were a

935
00:36:35,180 --> 00:36:33,570
couple of sightings we have to learn all

936
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:35,190
the fame of sightings and there were a

937
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:36,930
couple sightings that are unexplained

938
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:39,690
one was by a 14 year old boy called

939
00:36:44,930 --> 00:36:42,810
derby surname is Darby and it was you

940
00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:44,940
Ferb of a hedge it was not explained and

941
00:36:48,170 --> 00:36:45,960
then he said I was as the real thing

942
00:36:50,270 --> 00:36:48,180
wait a minute was it just a reporter a

943
00:36:52,339 --> 00:36:50,280
photograph Stephen Dobbie shares it was

944
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:52,349
a photograph Oh was it was a to see

945
00:36:55,820 --> 00:36:54,000
it was a UFO above its they were Stephen

946
00:36:58,339 --> 00:36:55,830
Dobbie she was 14 there was a story with

947
00:36:59,630 --> 00:36:58,349
it and this was in the youth of animals

948
00:37:01,640 --> 00:36:59,640
for years and years and years when

949
00:37:03,890 --> 00:37:01,650
Stephen Dobbie she was about 40 fessed

950
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:03,900
up to it it was in no model who's a

951
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:06,240
model digo I couldn't live with it

952
00:37:09,740 --> 00:37:08,160
anymore I have a very good friend to

953
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:09,750
created a bit of a stir on the northern

954
00:37:13,740 --> 00:37:11,410
beaches of Sydney here in

955
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:13,750
but we know about that I were the youth

956
00:37:20,309 --> 00:37:18,160
oh yeah yes he he created a UFO that

957
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:20,319
made it into the local paper he got a

958
00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:23,170
lantern like a Chinese lantern and stuck

959
00:37:27,299 --> 00:37:25,569
a candle in it and I don't know somehow

960
00:37:28,799 --> 00:37:27,309
got it to to float up across the

961
00:37:32,220 --> 00:37:28,809
northern beaches and it made it into the

962
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:32,230
manly daily and he he never fessed up

963
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:35,680
until now how I mention is nothing what

964
00:37:42,089 --> 00:37:37,599
do we do it's about messing up on

965
00:37:43,410 --> 00:37:42,099
setting up on his bow not much happens

966
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:43,420
in Manny's they can't put much of the

967
00:37:47,789 --> 00:37:45,520
manly daily you know your dog bites man

968
00:37:50,039 --> 00:37:47,799
sort of things don't bite this like some

969
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:50,049
drunk that man like as long as he did on

970
00:37:56,010 --> 00:37:54,130
a week we can not lots of audio for it

971
00:37:59,220 --> 00:37:56,020
enough people that I made it into the

972
00:38:02,309 --> 00:37:59,230
manly daily have you Kylie do you have

973
00:38:05,579 --> 00:38:02,319
any more questions for Steve before we

974
00:38:07,319 --> 00:38:05,589
all fall up fly away by work well you

975
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:07,329
started all of this stuff with the hope

976
00:38:10,980 --> 00:38:09,520
and disappointment in regards to your

977
00:38:12,539 --> 00:38:10,990
photos do you think there's still hope

978
00:38:14,370 --> 00:38:12,549
or is it more disappointment that we've

979
00:38:16,769 --> 00:38:14,380
got to look forward to despite the fact

980
00:38:18,809 --> 00:38:16,779
that modern day UFO ologist seem to be

981
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:18,819
reaching more for the the quantum

982
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:21,010
physics explanation for the reason why

983
00:38:25,170 --> 00:38:22,690
most don't seem to have enough evidence

984
00:38:27,210 --> 00:38:25,180
that came in at about 90 to 70 the UFOs

985
00:38:29,250 --> 00:38:27,220
have evolved as human vision has evolved

986
00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:29,260
over time like the nineteen fifties UFOs

987
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:31,180
are made of aluminium sheets riveted

988
00:38:37,500 --> 00:38:33,609
together well obviously to UFOs were

989
00:38:39,690 --> 00:38:37,510
plastic in globby forms a 1970s UFOs are

990
00:38:41,609 --> 00:38:39,700
high technology vicious spiky things

991
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:41,619
line leads one to entirely invisible

992
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:43,119
they said low that they have been

993
00:38:51,660 --> 00:38:48,880
visible UFOs Buffy where science fiction

994
00:38:53,609 --> 00:38:51,670
is about few years behind maybe that's

995
00:38:55,410 --> 00:38:53,619
why people now reaching for what the

996
00:38:56,940 --> 00:38:55,420
bleep in quantum physics and all that's

997
00:38:58,890 --> 00:38:56,950
like yeah people tryna stay and there

998
00:39:00,120 --> 00:38:58,900
because you can't track that down so you

999
00:39:02,490 --> 00:39:00,130
see it's become just completely

1000
00:39:05,130 --> 00:39:02,500
ludicrous but now maybe people people

1001
00:39:06,930 --> 00:39:05,140
seeing things forever and seeing what

1002
00:39:09,269 --> 00:39:06,940
they wish and those misplaced aliens of

1003
00:39:11,460 --> 00:39:09,279
this business the nasty actually does

1004
00:39:14,609 --> 00:39:11,470
the space aliens evolve as well the

1005
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:14,619
1950s aliens were tall elegant beings

1006
00:39:20,130 --> 00:39:16,089
with long blond hair and silver

1007
00:39:23,330 --> 00:39:20,140
tracksuits peach messages like her stop

1008
00:39:29,020 --> 00:39:23,340
testing Adam long happy CEO don't

1009
00:39:35,390 --> 00:39:29,030
the money that comes in a minute and

1010
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:35,400
that the 1970s aliens were small small

1011
00:39:39,620 --> 00:39:38,250
beings of a semi nasty appearance who

1012
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:39,630
said you know stop polluting the planet

1013
00:39:45,260 --> 00:39:42,690
just trendy 1970 and don't wear those

1014
00:39:48,340 --> 00:39:45,270
flared trousers and play the other

1015
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:48,350
record disco sucks just go yes I'm the

1016
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:51,570
1980s aliens of small maneuver looking

1017
00:39:58,780 --> 00:39:54,090
beings who say there's do some sexual

1018
00:40:01,520 --> 00:39:58,790
experiments on yet gone but as human

1019
00:40:02,810 --> 00:40:01,530
aspirations get nasty at nasty oh yeah

1020
00:40:05,150 --> 00:40:02,820
and uh I thought there'd be people

1021
00:40:07,700 --> 00:40:05,160
seeing these things all the time and we

1022
00:40:09,140 --> 00:40:07,710
have to allow for this you know people

1023
00:40:10,490 --> 00:40:09,150
seen what they can't explain and the

1024
00:40:13,820 --> 00:40:10,500
fact that they can't explain it doesn't

1025
00:40:15,860 --> 00:40:13,830
mean it can't be explained is easy

1026
00:40:17,330 --> 00:40:15,870
possible to reason with the UFO a person

1027
00:40:19,130 --> 00:40:17,340
of senior youth 0 because you see you

1028
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:19,140
say look Chum I was there I saw it you

1029
00:40:21,770 --> 00:40:20,130
weren't there you don't know what I'm

1030
00:40:24,740 --> 00:40:21,780
talking about yeah yeah yeah we get that

1031
00:40:28,460 --> 00:40:24,750
from all the stolen and skeptical

1032
00:40:30,770 --> 00:40:28,470
inquiry yeah people say they're crazy or

1033
00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:30,780
deluded more that they are no that's

1034
00:40:36,110 --> 00:40:34,200
Benson um I would probably take a step

1035
00:40:39,860 --> 00:40:36,120
back from that Carly I would say yeah

1036
00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:39,870
yes yes they're probably deluded now

1037
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:41,910
deluded has very negative connotation

1038
00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:45,330
connotation you're mistaken you since

1039
00:40:48,530 --> 00:40:46,680
the only thing something that's not true

1040
00:40:50,300 --> 00:40:48,540
that there since here at this license

1041
00:40:51,410 --> 00:40:50,310
either was taken yeah all actually maybe

1042
00:40:53,780 --> 00:40:51,420
knowing what's taking those can't

1043
00:40:55,220 --> 00:40:53,790
understand letís they've seen and one of

1044
00:40:58,820 --> 00:40:55,230
the key things is that it's really

1045
00:41:01,250 --> 00:40:58,830
difficult to know distance and height

1046
00:41:03,230 --> 00:41:01,260
and speed this might be good if there

1047
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:03,240
are two sightings of the same flavor UFO

1048
00:41:08,660 --> 00:41:06,330
and I think that I'm not a technical

1049
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:08,670
minded science-minded really person at

1050
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,250
all but I do get the train home from

1051
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:13,680
work every day we must be how are you

1052
00:41:19,170 --> 00:41:16,050
skeptical Richard this is going

1053
00:41:23,980 --> 00:41:19,180
somewhere which is the time

1054
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:23,990
it's going to talk to well marico the

1055
00:41:29,740 --> 00:41:26,570
people's republic of america where we

1056
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:29,750
live where we are right now is close to

1057
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:31,850
the airport and we see planes all the

1058
00:41:36,190 --> 00:41:34,490
time yes and I remember this happens all

1059
00:41:37,660 --> 00:41:36,200
the time I'm getting a train home and

1060
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:37,670
I'm looking out the window and I see a

1061
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:41,330
plane taking off the train is moving the

1062
00:41:46,810 --> 00:41:44,090
plane is moving to me it looks like the

1063
00:41:48,940 --> 00:41:46,820
plane is not moving at all I've

1064
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:48,950
experienced that myself and I don't know

1065
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:50,570
the physics and the maths and if someone

1066
00:41:56,110 --> 00:41:53,570
I'm sure that our vast audience someone

1067
00:41:57,490 --> 00:41:56,120
will email in with the geek details but

1068
00:41:59,170 --> 00:41:57,500
to me I don't know the geek details

1069
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:59,180
except i'm looking at and I know that

1070
00:42:02,650 --> 00:42:01,280
deep detail on the shop now there's

1071
00:42:05,020 --> 00:42:02,660
nothing to compare the plane towards

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00:42:06,850 --> 00:42:05,030
anything sky I can understand it was

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00:42:08,620 --> 00:42:06,860
moving past of see you who they find it

1074
00:42:11,830 --> 00:42:08,630
clean you know it's movie Lucy the sky

1075
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:11,840
oh I'm looking at that plane outside my

1076
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:14,090
train window and I know that that plane

1077
00:42:19,630 --> 00:42:17,570
is moving like lastly faster than i am

1078
00:42:23,230 --> 00:42:19,640
moving yes going it's taking off right

1079
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:23,240
yes but it to me it looks like it is not

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00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:25,520
moving at all any of them every time I

1081
00:42:31,570 --> 00:42:27,710
said it's a small thing but to me I

1082
00:42:33,850 --> 00:42:31,580
think that feeds into my philosophy

1083
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:33,860
which is anyone can be fooled mm-hmm I

1084
00:42:39,730 --> 00:42:36,890
can reform agree what you see is not

1085
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:39,740
necessarily what is happening and you

1086
00:42:44,620 --> 00:42:42,560
need to correct all of that with object

1087
00:42:46,510 --> 00:42:44,630
if you have you have prepared something

1088
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,520
that's right and you have to learn it

1089
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:48,560
because if I had not learned that I

1090
00:42:55,150 --> 00:42:52,370
would look and if it was a different

1091
00:42:57,460 --> 00:42:55,160
circumstance yeah i would say that plane

1092
00:42:59,020 --> 00:42:57,470
not moving and i would i would think

1093
00:43:00,760 --> 00:42:59,030
something completely different was

1094
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:00,770
happening but it's been what it was what

1095
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:04,160
skeptics have done largely is that

1096
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:07,520
they've to an extent can't unlearn some

1097
00:43:14,860 --> 00:43:10,130
things and they go against what is

1098
00:43:17,170 --> 00:43:14,870
intuitive I'm looking at it is not

1099
00:43:21,590 --> 00:43:17,180
moving from my point of view it is not

1100
00:43:26,450 --> 00:43:21,600
it's like waving a lot of me

1101
00:43:28,070 --> 00:43:26,460
have to move well let's say 1015 seconds

1102
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,080
what you're looking at the lead is not

1103
00:43:32,660 --> 00:43:30,720
moving there I can see that I've seen

1104
00:43:34,340 --> 00:43:32,670
one coming towards me which was touchy

1105
00:43:36,110 --> 00:43:34,350
flying but it's actually not moving much

1106
00:43:38,180 --> 00:43:36,120
relative to my line of vision exactly

1107
00:43:40,370 --> 00:43:38,190
maybe yours it was taking off towards

1108
00:43:42,500 --> 00:43:40,380
you didn't have to move whatever angles

1109
00:43:45,620 --> 00:43:42,510
and I know that it's angles and physics

1110
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:45,630
blah blah blah but um if you don't know

1111
00:43:51,140 --> 00:43:48,240
that yeah you say it can't be a plane's

1112
00:43:56,540 --> 00:43:51,150
it will only yeah that's why and I saw

1113
00:43:58,430 --> 00:43:56,550
it don't try to tell me that I saw I

1114
00:44:00,770 --> 00:43:58,440
think one of the great lessons that

1115
00:44:03,020 --> 00:44:00,780
skepticism teaches us is that no matter

1116
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:03,030
what we think or what we think we've

1117
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:07,290
seen or felt or hurry we must even if

1118
00:44:12,260 --> 00:44:09,330
it's completely counterintuitive and

1119
00:44:14,570 --> 00:44:12,270
makes no sense to us at the time and say

1120
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:14,580
the words to ourselves we might be

1121
00:44:18,620 --> 00:44:17,040
mistaken hmm and that is something you

1122
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:18,630
had that's exactly what I'm saying it's

1123
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:20,970
a it's almost a daily reminder in a very

1124
00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:22,890
mundane way I look at the window I start

1125
00:44:29,780 --> 00:44:25,710
playing it up I'm not seeing what I

1126
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:29,790
think I'm seeing it may be well I know

1127
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:32,010
that well you know that rain I'm not

1128
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:33,810
seeing with that Qantas plane taking off

1129
00:44:40,700 --> 00:44:37,680
I know I know listeners are invited

1130
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:40,710
indeed to send us pictures of their UFOs

1131
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:44,640
in fact please do why not throw your

1132
00:44:48,890 --> 00:44:47,130
keys in the air in your hat in your shoe

1133
00:44:50,930 --> 00:44:48,900
and send it to us we'd love to see them

1134
00:44:53,330 --> 00:44:50,940
sure I'll tell you something about UFO

1135
00:44:55,130 --> 00:44:53,340
sighting experiences or one of the word

1136
00:44:56,810 --> 00:44:55,140
is you can say contactees if somebody's

1137
00:44:59,210 --> 00:44:56,820
seen a UFO that makes them feel very

1138
00:45:00,500 --> 00:44:59,220
special live experiences I've seen

1139
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:00,510
something in the sky that I couldn't

1140
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:03,090
understand and I thought hey the aliens

1141
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:04,890
are coming and I'm the first one to see

1142
00:45:08,540 --> 00:45:07,050
them now this is really significant and

1143
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:08,550
it's wonderful feeling that you're

1144
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:11,730
somehow special and if you keep that as

1145
00:45:16,310 --> 00:45:14,610
a UFO in my case I end what you didn't I

1146
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:16,320
kept watching it and I shouldn't have

1147
00:45:19,610 --> 00:45:17,760
done that should have gone indoors and

1148
00:45:22,100 --> 00:45:19,620
just darling turned into an airplane

1149
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:22,110
flew overhead but if I got indoors

1150
00:45:27,230 --> 00:45:23,850
before I do that I think I've seen a UFO

1151
00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:27,240
I feel very special and I really don't

1152
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:30,180
wish to analyze people's UFO sightings

1153
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:31,010
that much

1154
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:32,450
you're taking that away from them and

1155
00:45:37,690 --> 00:45:35,570
the last ones that you fo explained and

1156
00:45:39,550 --> 00:45:37,700
the young analogy for this is in monty

1157
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:39,560
python's life of brian about the ex

1158
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:41,930
leper this guy's drinking sit on sore

1159
00:45:48,850 --> 00:45:44,330
neck slip up you know I had a living but

1160
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:48,860
be cured me no leftover Leroy and say if

1161
00:45:52,690 --> 00:45:50,450
you're somebody who's seen you fo you

1162
00:45:54,250 --> 00:45:52,700
can feel special on the really the last

1163
00:45:57,610 --> 00:45:54,260
he wants and some skipping to come along

1164
00:45:59,200 --> 00:45:57,620
and explain it so that be I might be

1165
00:46:01,000 --> 00:45:59,210
option to analyze the sightings for this

1166
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:01,010
reason you're taken away think wellness

1167
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:02,930
of Steve we would love to analyze your

1168
00:46:06,820 --> 00:46:04,640
sightings listeners and if you'd like to

1169
00:46:09,970 --> 00:46:06,830
send us your UFO photograph please do

1170
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:09,980
you can go to skeptics on TV click on

1171
00:46:15,070 --> 00:46:12,770
the context about us link and you can

1172
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:15,080
send us your photographs but I would

1173
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:17,450
sincerely like to thank dr. Steve

1174
00:46:20,740 --> 00:46:19,250
Roberts for spending our dinner with us

1175
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:20,750
having dinner with us it was very good

1176
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:22,730
to yeah I pulled it out of the important

1177
00:46:26,770 --> 00:46:24,530
into the team you heated it I did thank

1178
00:46:28,690 --> 00:46:26,780
you for cooking ending them my pleasure

1179
00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:28,700
thank you learning the stove Richard I

1180
00:46:33,700 --> 00:46:31,250
do Thank You Kylie from for joining us

1181
00:46:35,650 --> 00:46:33,710
all the way from perth by skype oh yeah

1182
00:46:37,660 --> 00:46:35,660
well it's been absolute delight thank

1183
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:37,670
you amanda rose and thank you dr. Reggie

1184
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:40,250
Dunlop thank you I know what else you

1185
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:49,130
could do in perfectly with you what yes

1186
00:47:06,579 --> 00:46:50,960
if I was only there yeah like to see the

1187
00:47:12,789 --> 00:47:10,239
hi I'm Alice 88 hosted the new by weekly

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00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:12,799
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1189
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:14,690
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1190
00:47:19,359 --> 00:47:16,880
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1191
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:19,369
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1192
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:21,440
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1193
00:47:25,650 --> 00:47:23,599
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1194
00:47:28,359 --> 00:47:25,660
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1195
00:47:37,269 --> 00:47:28,369
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1196
00:47:38,979 --> 00:47:37,279
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1197
00:47:41,140 --> 00:47:38,989
tiffany day and i just wanted to let you

1198
00:47:43,059 --> 00:47:41,150
know that this year 2009 is the

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00:47:44,890 --> 00:47:43,069
international year of astronomy to

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00:47:47,170 --> 00:47:44,900
celebrate the 400th anniversary of

1201
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:47,180
Galileo's use of the telescope to study

1202
00:47:51,759 --> 00:47:49,729
the skies the year of astronomy is an

1203
00:47:53,890 --> 00:47:51,769
international celebration being hosted

1204
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:53,900
by the International Astronomical Union

1205
00:47:57,519 --> 00:47:55,729
as well as the united nations

1206
00:48:00,640 --> 00:47:57,529
educational scientific and cultural

1207
00:48:01,989 --> 00:48:00,650
organization everyone should realize the

1208
00:48:04,059 --> 00:48:01,999
impact of astronomy and other

1209
00:48:06,370 --> 00:48:04,069
fundamental sciences on our daily lives

1210
00:48:08,469 --> 00:48:06,380
and understand how scientific knowledge

1211
00:48:10,930 --> 00:48:08,479
can contribute to a more equitable and

1212
00:48:14,170 --> 00:48:10,940
peaceful Society if you'd like more

1213
00:48:16,359 --> 00:48:14,180
information you can visit astronomy 2009

1214
00:48:18,459 --> 00:48:16,369
org but there are well over a hundred

1215
00:48:20,319 --> 00:48:18,469
different countries participating in the

1216
00:48:22,539 --> 00:48:20,329
celebrations this year so if you'd like

1217
00:48:25,900 --> 00:48:22,549
more information on events being held in

1218
00:48:29,890 --> 00:48:25,910
Australia you can visit astronomy 2009

1219
00:48:32,769 --> 00:48:29,900
org a you there is also a podcast that

1220
00:48:34,930 --> 00:48:32,779
has been put together called 365 days of

1221
00:48:37,329 --> 00:48:34,940
astronomy which will publish one podcast

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00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:37,339
per day for 5 to 10 minutes in duration

1223
00:48:45,390 --> 00:48:41,359
for every single day of 2009 you can

1224
00:48:48,700 --> 00:48:45,400
find this at 365 days of astronomy org

1225
00:48:51,759 --> 00:48:48,710
another one is cosmic diary which you

1226
00:48:54,099 --> 00:48:51,769
can find at cosmic diary org it is a

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00:48:56,079 --> 00:48:54,109
blog being put together by a group of

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00:48:57,849 --> 00:48:56,089
astronomers they are professional

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00:48:59,499 --> 00:48:57,859
scientists and will blog in text and

1230
00:49:02,140 --> 00:48:59,509
images about their lives families

1231
00:49:03,819 --> 00:49:02,150
friends hobbies and interests as well as

1232
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:03,829
their work their latest research

1233
00:49:07,690 --> 00:49:05,599
findings and the challenges that face

1234
00:49:09,969 --> 00:49:07,700
them all these things are incredibly

1235
00:49:13,059 --> 00:49:09,979
exciting and will help us all celebrate

1236
00:49:25,359 --> 00:49:13,069
this year 2009 as international year of

1237
00:49:31,340 --> 00:49:28,580
hi I'm Theo Clark host and producer of

1238
00:49:33,620 --> 00:49:31,350
the podcast hunting humbug 101 each week

1239
00:49:35,540 --> 00:49:33,630
I'm joined by my father Jeff Clark and

1240
00:49:37,609 --> 00:49:35,550
we discuss a particular logical fallacy

1241
00:49:39,140 --> 00:49:37,619
with real-life examples of fallacies

1242
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,150
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1243
00:49:44,930 --> 00:49:41,520
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1244
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1245
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companion podcast to our book humbug the

1246
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1247
00:49:54,290 --> 00:49:51,630
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1249
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1250
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1251
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:00,810
examples of fallacious reasoning at our

1252
00:50:09,650 --> 00:50:06,890
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1253
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:09,660
now let's all get back to enjoying the

1254
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:20,770
and now we have a couple of short

1255
00:50:26,109 --> 00:50:23,599
interviews about UFOs kicking off with

1256
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:26,119
one conducted by dr. Karen stalls now

1257
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:28,010
now we did have some technical problems

1258
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:29,930
with the recording but bear with it it's

1259
00:50:34,839 --> 00:50:32,570
only short and after that we'll have a

1260
00:50:37,540 --> 00:50:34,849
quick chat to current New South Wales

1261
00:50:43,410 --> 00:50:37,550
president of Australian skeptics Peter

1262
00:50:48,370 --> 00:50:45,640
traveled to vallejo in the San Francisco

1263
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:48,380
Bay Area to interview my friend Bill

1264
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:51,250
bank's bill grew up in Memphis Tennessee

1265
00:50:56,020 --> 00:50:53,839
and when he was just a boy he witnessed

1266
00:50:59,589 --> 00:50:56,030
an unidentified flying object in the

1267
00:51:01,930 --> 00:50:59,599
skies at school one day I asked bill to

1268
00:51:05,410 --> 00:51:01,940
describe himself and he said present me

1269
00:51:07,930 --> 00:51:05,420
as a postal worker and eccentric bill is

1270
00:51:10,359 --> 00:51:07,940
also a member of mensa and a reader of

1271
00:51:13,180 --> 00:51:10,369
the skeptic magazine but my favorite

1272
00:51:18,250 --> 00:51:13,190
introduction for him is the skeptic who

1273
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:18,260
saw a UFO so ah thank you very much for

1274
00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:21,530
joining today bill and I guess the first

1275
00:51:27,309 --> 00:51:23,510
question I have to ask is what was the

1276
00:51:30,730 --> 00:51:27,319
experience that you have when I was in

1277
00:51:34,990 --> 00:51:30,740
grade school I can remember say three

1278
00:51:38,130 --> 00:51:35,000
occasions at recess I have been up into

1279
00:51:41,500 --> 00:51:38,140
the sky it was always clear and blue and

1280
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:41,510
there were silver rockets leaving bike

1281
00:51:46,780 --> 00:51:44,720
countries usually say I would guess

1282
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:46,790
three or four times the length of the

1283
00:51:54,700 --> 00:51:50,210
ship now the problem is from your point

1284
00:51:56,559 --> 00:51:54,710
of view and anybody who believes in the

1285
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:56,569
real world so to speak and I include

1286
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:00,319
myself is this is recess this is great

1287
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:03,410
school and I never hollered hey look at

1288
00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:06,800
that I can still see these wretched

1289
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:09,710
things in my mind's eye more than 50

1290
00:52:16,780 --> 00:52:12,319
years later Oakland and I had a chance

1291
00:52:19,180 --> 00:52:16,790
to holler to get other folks go up I

1292
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:19,190
didn't so there were other people around

1293
00:52:25,390 --> 00:52:21,770
yes isn't well this is recess on

1294
00:52:28,990 --> 00:52:25,400
definition so teachers and other

1295
00:52:30,730 --> 00:52:29,000
students students teachers are stayed

1296
00:52:33,069 --> 00:52:30,740
away from the playgrounds for whatever

1297
00:52:36,730 --> 00:52:33,079
reason in those days see you don't have

1298
00:52:39,339 --> 00:52:36,740
anyone who can really cooperate no story

1299
00:52:41,890 --> 00:52:39,349
so you did you go home and tell your

1300
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:41,900
parents about it or discuss it with

1301
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:43,970
anyone afterwards I can remember telling

1302
00:52:49,540 --> 00:52:47,450
my folks ah but they didn't take me too

1303
00:52:54,579 --> 00:52:49,550
seriously surprise even been things in

1304
00:52:56,410 --> 00:52:54,589
those days no after all this time that

1305
00:53:00,339 --> 00:52:56,420
you'll but he said it you're skeptical

1306
00:53:02,260 --> 00:53:00,349
of what you saw absolutely they it's

1307
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:02,270
just because I could say that you've

1308
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:04,690
spent from that time until now

1309
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:06,530
investigating this and thinking about

1310
00:53:11,130 --> 00:53:09,050
this and reliving this experience and

1311
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:11,140
it's interested you to the state

1312
00:53:16,990 --> 00:53:13,609
reliving and investigating a little

1313
00:53:19,150 --> 00:53:17,000
stroll it's interesting absolutely if

1314
00:53:22,359 --> 00:53:19,160
you think it's more probable but it's

1315
00:53:25,809 --> 00:53:22,369
something natural rather than being an

1316
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:25,819
alien spacecraft because there are a lot

1317
00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:27,890
of people i would think that most people

1318
00:53:32,349 --> 00:53:29,839
who believe in the sort of thing or who

1319
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:32,359
have had experiences would ascribe some

1320
00:53:39,609 --> 00:53:35,810
sort of paranormal alien underlying

1321
00:53:42,819 --> 00:53:39,619
reason to what they sing well if you go

1322
00:53:45,970 --> 00:53:42,829
if you take a liberal as a number of UFO

1323
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:45,980
reports lord knows that there's plenty

1324
00:53:52,300 --> 00:53:48,770
of room for our space monsters amongst

1325
00:53:54,819 --> 00:53:52,310
them the thing is that if you allow

1326
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:54,829
allowing that to be so there is no

1327
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:56,000
apparent

1328
00:54:02,680 --> 00:53:57,680
differentiate between the real

1329
00:54:05,950 --> 00:54:02,690
spacelings and whatever else that

1330
00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:05,960
doesn't sit too well with me i'm i would

1331
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:07,730
think that real spacelings ought to

1332
00:54:14,410 --> 00:54:09,760
clearly differentiate themselves from

1333
00:54:19,330 --> 00:54:14,420
the gross and the sightings are of such

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00:54:24,370 --> 00:54:19,340
frequency as to logically conclude on

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00:54:26,350 --> 00:54:24,380
that degree of visitation so it's an

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00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:26,360
unidentified flying object and I guess

1337
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:28,970
we go with that literal interpretation

1338
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:31,370
then all the other experiences that

1339
00:54:37,090 --> 00:54:33,170
other people have had their still left

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00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:37,100
unidentified and we need to continue

1341
00:54:44,950 --> 00:54:40,160
being skeptical about them well I would

1342
00:54:46,570 --> 00:54:44,960
urge skepticism about UFOs and a whole

1343
00:54:50,380 --> 00:54:46,580
lot more including though most

1344
00:54:57,250 --> 00:54:50,390
politicians and on that large thank you

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00:55:02,120 --> 00:54:59,810
well I'm with dr. Rachel Dunlop

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00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:02,130
announces your lab isn't it Rachel well

1347
00:55:06,620 --> 00:55:04,530
it sort of itself seminar room that's a

1348
00:55:08,210 --> 00:55:06,630
tea room is interior ya know and we are

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00:55:10,070 --> 00:55:08,220
having tea we're having tea now interest

1350
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:10,080
it's interesting that when i was putting

1351
00:55:14,750 --> 00:55:12,330
this episode together i was trying to

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00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:14,760
get people who have had UFO experiences

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00:55:17,450 --> 00:55:16,170
and i put out the call on the internet

1354
00:55:21,770 --> 00:55:17,460
and Rachel's been looking around and

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00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:21,780
Kylie and other people we can't find it

1356
00:55:27,050 --> 00:55:24,720
isn't that funny Richard you tweeted it

1357
00:55:29,540 --> 00:55:27,060
I think yeah Carly tweeted it your

1358
00:55:31,070 --> 00:55:29,550
facebook that yeah I asked around my

1359
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:31,080
workplace and there's about 70 people

1360
00:55:35,390 --> 00:55:33,330
who work here and nobody had seen nope

1361
00:55:37,250 --> 00:55:35,400
nobody neither UFOs anymore I don't any

1362
00:55:39,260 --> 00:55:37,260
what's happened I don't know I guess

1363
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:39,270
it's not the 1970s anymore is it when

1364
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:40,410
they were really popular and everyone

1365
00:55:45,590 --> 00:55:42,330
was saying them what a pity I like the

1366
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:45,600
1970s over fun but or perhaps we're just

1367
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:49,530
not in a high UFO visitation area hmm

1368
00:55:55,610 --> 00:55:51,170
you know that they tend to sort of

1369
00:55:57,820 --> 00:55:55,620
congregate in there in rural England a

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00:56:00,800 --> 00:55:57,830
lot don't they or I tell you what

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00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:00,810
they've been seen in the Blue Mountains

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00:56:04,130 --> 00:56:02,730
which are Westar Sydney in fact I think

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00:56:11,370 --> 00:56:04,140
I'll go there now and see what I can

1374
00:56:16,060 --> 00:56:14,170
UFOs like places like the Blue Mountains

1375
00:56:20,500 --> 00:56:16,070
because they're closely because the hide

1376
00:56:22,810 --> 00:56:20,510
I can save fuel by landing here

1377
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:22,820
throughout the laning further down

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00:56:27,580 --> 00:56:25,370
toward the ocean I'm speaking with Peter

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00:56:29,260 --> 00:56:27,590
Bowditch who's the current president of

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00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:29,270
Australian skeptics we're in a lovely

1381
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:30,770
club here in the Blue Mountains which

1382
00:56:35,140 --> 00:56:33,440
are just west of Sydney and it's

1383
00:56:38,260 --> 00:56:35,150
beautiful up here I really enjoyed but

1384
00:56:39,700 --> 00:56:38,270
it is a hot spot for UFOs well go and

1385
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:39,710
the other thing the UFOs I be concerned

1386
00:56:44,590 --> 00:56:42,640
about global warming obviously and

1387
00:56:47,410 --> 00:56:44,600
therefore the higher you are the better

1388
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:47,420
with the Greenland ice caps melt between

1389
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:48,890
now and Tuesday it's going to be

1390
00:56:51,940 --> 00:56:49,970
fighting every there tell you bad news

1391
00:56:53,470 --> 00:56:51,950
so yeah here is going to be safe we'll

1392
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:53,480
be able to stand on the bridge at the

1393
00:56:57,820 --> 00:56:56,690
railway station look at the ocean okay I

1394
00:57:00,820 --> 00:56:57,830
was suggesting to the council that my

1395
00:57:02,500 --> 00:57:00,830
mighty produced water skiing and I local

1396
00:57:04,930 --> 00:57:02,510
like I've dr. Lee would go down very

1397
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:04,940
badly so I see but what what will this

1398
00:57:08,590 --> 00:57:06,770
mean for the UFOs on the sneer with a

1399
00:57:11,110 --> 00:57:08,600
book while the other attractions for the

1400
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:11,120
UFOs here is the island is of course the

1401
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:14,240
airwaves this is yaoi country so I've

1402
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:15,890
had to become a true believer in Yowies

1403
00:57:22,030 --> 00:57:18,530
does I blew through the bush I've seen

1404
00:57:23,410 --> 00:57:22,040
the buy packs on the trees I've just

1405
00:57:24,910 --> 00:57:23,420
seen the evidence that Betty it's

1406
00:57:27,730 --> 00:57:24,920
everywhere now for those people who may

1407
00:57:30,190 --> 00:57:27,740
not realize a yaoi is the Australian

1408
00:57:32,140 --> 00:57:30,200
cousin of the Bigfoot or Sasquatch the

1409
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:32,150
fleet otters be their feed owners be no

1410
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:34,490
but I biggity biggity 'the yes maybe

1411
00:57:38,140 --> 00:57:37,010
they shouldn't big tooth we thought

1412
00:57:42,070 --> 00:57:38,150
according to net but I think that's a

1413
00:57:44,170 --> 00:57:42,080
trade nine for somebody also we know in

1414
00:57:45,970 --> 00:57:44,180
films of the Yowie unlike films a

1415
00:57:49,540 --> 00:57:45,980
Bigfoot you can't see the zipper on the

1416
00:57:51,340 --> 00:57:49,550
suit I like that famous Patterson film

1417
00:57:52,810 --> 00:57:51,350
of the Bigfoot yeah yeah when you go for

1418
00:57:54,250 --> 00:57:52,820
any by funding to the zipper on it yeah

1419
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:54,260
I just I think it just shows that

1420
00:57:58,480 --> 00:57:57,200
Bigfoot just have more dress sense up

1421
00:58:00,370 --> 00:57:58,490
here they probably use velcro or

1422
00:58:02,140 --> 00:58:00,380
something no I I think now the president

1423
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:02,150
of the Australian skeptics is living up

1424
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:05,210
here somehow I think there should be

1425
00:58:09,300 --> 00:58:07,250
some fresh cow he tracks before long I

1426
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:09,310
think that definitely coach

1427
00:58:14,490 --> 00:58:11,530
I can see it happening but it was also a

1428
00:58:17,370 --> 00:58:14,500
hotbed of psychics so I kick something

1429
00:58:20,340 --> 00:58:17,380
am a psychic up here an author people of

1430
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:20,350
doing all sorts of service a strange and

1431
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:22,330
paranormal things mmm likes to

1432
00:58:25,710 --> 00:58:24,160
investigate a lot to investigate I mean

1433
00:58:27,060 --> 00:58:25,720
I may join the local psychic society

1434
00:58:29,250 --> 00:58:27,070
just simply delete feel part of the

1435
00:58:32,700 --> 00:58:29,260
community I'm sure they'd welcome you

1436
00:58:35,490 --> 00:58:32,710
with open minds up here many strange

1437
00:58:37,410 --> 00:58:35,500
people most of the town's you have at

1438
00:58:41,250 --> 00:58:37,420
least one shop that sells crystals good

1439
00:58:43,500 --> 00:58:41,260
good and I where were things yeah so I

1440
00:58:45,390 --> 00:58:43,510
feel quite at home here all right now

1441
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:45,400
listen has we rest assured we shall

1442
00:58:49,740 --> 00:58:48,490
endeavor to come back here in the middle

1443
00:58:52,830 --> 00:58:49,750
of the year probably when it's nice and

1444
00:58:54,030 --> 00:58:52,840
cool and crisp and spot UFOs well the

1445
00:58:56,100 --> 00:58:54,040
UFOs will love to come here because it

1446
00:58:58,920 --> 00:58:56,110
snows here no you missile beer it does

1447
00:59:01,440 --> 00:58:58,930
and that meant that they can land in the

1448
00:59:03,090 --> 00:59:01,450
middle of the night and by morning this

1449
00:59:04,830 --> 00:59:03,100
snow all over the top of them in the

1450
00:59:06,990 --> 00:59:04,840
middle local park and people that

1451
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:07,000
actually notice the spaceship sitting

1452
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:09,370
there sounds like a conspiracy theory

1453
00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:10,570
but they do notice the three-toed

1454
00:59:16,110 --> 00:59:13,510
footprint swimming and coming back but

1455
00:59:18,510 --> 00:59:16,120
we can explain that

1456
00:59:20,790 --> 00:59:18,520
and from wentworth falls in the

1457
00:59:29,500 --> 00:59:20,800
beautiful Blue Mountains Thank You Pete

1458
00:59:35,390 --> 00:59:32,480
thank you for joining me for this UFO

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00:59:40,010 --> 00:59:35,400
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1460
00:59:43,250 --> 00:59:40,020
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1466
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01:00:01,040 --> 00:59:59,010
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1468
01:00:04,130 --> 01:00:01,050
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1469
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:04,140
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